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In this episode:
0:20 - Meet Kelsey
1:06 - Sections in 12Twenty
2:40 - Who sees timeline data?
3:45 - What can employers see?
5:20 - Why so many details?
6:35 - Does my situation count?
8:00 - Receiving vs accepting offers
9:50 - Multiple offers
10:47 - Final Q&A
14:00 - Summary
Transcript
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Kate [K1]: Welcome to the Career Management Podcast, where we bring you stories and strategies from students, special guests and the Career Management team. Make yourself comfortable and let's get started. On today's episode, we are answering some questions and clearing up rumors that we hear from students about reporting their job offers in 12Twenty. Kelsey from Operations Team is joining us to clear up the FAQs. And we will cover things such as, can employers see my salary? What if I found the job on my own? And also if I enter an offer, does that mean I'm done recruiting? Kelsey, please introduce yourself.
Kelsey [K2]: Yeah. Hi, I'm Kelsey, I'm from Career Management on the operations team. Um, as the operations associate, a part of my role is that I'm responsible for the accuracy and integrity of our student employment data. So those are some really common questions, Kate. And I think a lot of the confusion actually comes from the fact that 12Twenty asks for different kinds of information, but it doesn't always make it obvious which part that information is used for.
[K1]: What are the different parts that students will see on their homepage in 12Twenty?
[K2]: Yeah. So the first is your timeline. It's on the homepage of your profile in 12Twenty. And it asks what you're doing before Ivey, what you're doing during the summer and what you're going to be doing post-graduation.
[K1]: And this summer one says internship, correct?
[K2]: Yes, that's correct. But it doesn't have to be a formal internship. It could be it could be a summer job. It could be also returning to a previous employer, working on your own business or something else. The important thing is that the timeline is where you tell us what you actually did or what is happening now.
[K1]: So I'm thinking of our students who were camp counselors, maybe were servers in the service industry; internship is where it would go, even though it might not be an "internship". And that part is confidential.
[K2]: It is. Yes. Okay. Your timeline, including your offers, salary, status, is all confidential. There is a separate part of your profile where your primary resume and job preferences are. So the industries, types of work, and locations that you're interested in. Career Management does use that information to connect students with opportunities that help build resume books for employers.
[K1]: Okay, so what I'm taking away from this is that the timeline part is what has happened or what is happening for me right now, and the resume and preferences are what I might be interested in future. Is that right?
[K2]: Yeah, that's exactly right, Kate.
[K1]: Okay. Let's start with what students are probably most nervous about. If students put an offer or a salary in their timeline, who can see it?
[K2]: Yeah. So Career Management can see it because we're the ones who are responsible for the schools employment reporting, but employers cannot see it. Other students cannot see it, and alumni cannot see it either. When the information shows up in a report or the data that students can explore in 12Twenty. All of that information is used in aggregate.
[K1]: Okay, so someone can't look at a student's dashboard and work backwards to figure out my salary.
[K2]: Exactly. No they cannot. We also don't publish a breakdown when the group is too small so that someone could be identified. We do have thresholds around this, and we're very careful. So we follow the threshold of if we have fewer than 5 data points on a specific industry, then we won't share that student or alumni reported data just to ensure that individuals cannot be identified.
[K1]: Okay. And our next big question what are employers able to view or access about students.
[K2]: Yeah. So employers they cannot see anything on your 12Twenty profile. However, employers do request resume books through Career Management and then they can receive your resume this way. So, for example, an employer might reach out and say that they are having a Vancouver office and they are wanting those students whose preferred work location is in Vancouver. So what we would then do is filter out those students who have a preferred location of Vancouver, and also students who are still seeking as their most recent status in either the internship or postgrad, depending on what type of job the employer is looking for. Once the resume is pulled, we will send those details to the employer.
[K1]: Okay, so they don't get access to a student's whole profile.
[K2]: That is correct. They don't they don't have access to your timeline, your salary, a list of everything that you've selected on your profile. They will have access to the primary resume that is on your profile.
[K1]: Okay. That seems like a really important difference. Career Management is using your profile to find you opportunities that are of interest to you and match your preferences. The employer isn't browsing through those preferences or other details.
[K2]: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we do also recommend that students are keeping your job preferences and primary resume up to date, because obviously we know that your preferences do change over time and it's okay for those preferences to change. Just make sure you're keeping the profile updated.
[K1]: Yes. The next question we tend to hear from students is why do you need so much detail? There's industry. There's function. There's location. There's salary. There's format, dates, how I found the opportunity, and that can feel like a lot for students.
[K2]: Yeah it definitely can. Especially when you want to just say hey, I got a job. So but there is a reason behind why we're asking these things. And the reason we do ask is that business schools follow common reporting standards. And those standards tell us what information is needed and how different situations should be counted.
[K1]: And Ivey is still interested in what students are doing post-grad, even if it's not a traditional full time job. Correct?
[K2]: Yes. So you might be working, continuing your education, starting your own venture, studying for an LSAT.
[K1]: Yeah. Volunteering. Still seeking, taking time off.
[K2]: Or maybe you're just choosing a totally different path. We're not looking for one right answer because there isn't one right answer. We're simply just trying to understand what those students go on to do.
[K1]: Okay, so there isn't a job that's too small, too unusual, or not Ivey enough to include!
[K2]: Yeah, exactly. It's what you're doing, and it belongs there.
[K1]: Let's go on to questions around, "does my situation count?" One thing we hear is I found a role myself, so Ivey doesn't need to know. What do you say to that?
[K2]: Ivey does still need to know. You might have found the job through an Ivey posting, a former employer, a friend, LinkedIn, a recruiter, or just doing your own outreach. We're not trying to claim that Ivey got you the job. We're just trying to get an accurate picture of where students ended up.
[K1]: Okay, and how about for students who feel that their salary is lower than their peers, or the title doesn't sound impressive enough?
[K2]: Yeah, honestly, that makes me sad because that information does still matter. If only the highest salaries or the biggest name employers are the ones who are getting reported that data stops being useful because it no longer reflects the whole class. Every job matters regardless of the job title or the salary.
[K1]: How about students who don't want to report good news while their friends are still looking? That's something I hear in coaching quite often.
[K2]: Yeah. And that can definitely feel like a tricky situation to be in. But entering your job offer in 12Twenty is not a public announcement. Your friends aren't notified. And so you get to tell your friends when. And you also get to decide who you tell also. Um, again, no other students are able to see what you report in 12Twenty.
[K1]: This next one might be the biggest myth. Uh, if I report an offer, I'll be taken out of recruitment events and opportunities in that. What do you say to that?
[K2]: Yeah. So reporting that you received an offer doesn't mean that you've accepted an offer. You still have access to posting events, coaching appointments, resume books and all the other resources that are available to you.
[K1]: And so the next question might be, why would I report something before I've actually made a decision on it?
[K2]: Yeah. Yeah for sure. So the date that you received the job offer does actually help us to get a better understanding of what's happening in the job market. So we can see when different industries and employers are making those offers to students. And then when you decide, you can then update the status to be there, you accepted the job offer or that you rejected the job offer.
[K1]: And how about if an offer is conditional or if something changes between A to B? Maybe I negotiated something differently.
[K2]: Yeah, you can simply just change it. The timeline is meant to show where things stand now. It isn't locking the student into an answer forever.
[K1]: Okay. And does a student's access to resources change after they accept the offer?
[K2]: So you do still have access to 12Twenty and Career Management support? The only main difference is that we stop including you in our resume books that we then hand out to employers.
[K1]: So that all makes sense. If you've accepted something and you're happy with it, you don't want or need other employers contacting you for roles that you're not actually considering.
[K2]: Yeah, exactly. And just like the other way around, employers are only wanting students who are open to being reached out to and are open to the opportunity.
[K1]: And so how about another situation where... many students find themselves with one offer on the table, but still waiting to hear back from another one? What's the advice there?
[K2]: Yeah, well, that can definitely be a stressful situation. And not everyone has the same amount of flexibility or comfort with taking that risk. But before signing, a coach can help, um, and help you think, uh, through whether to ask for more time, whether to ask the employer to speed up the process and what each option means to you. And if you are thinking of backing out of an offer that you have already accepted, we definitely recommend talking to a coach before you act.
[K1]: And coaches aren't there to tell you what to do. Our job is to hear what you're thinking, help you assess your situation in full, make sure you have all of your options on the table, and support you in whatever decision you do end up making. So Kelsey, let's do a final lightning round of like Q&A or statements, and you let me know whether this is true or false. One of the most common statements is I told my coach about my offer. Doesn't that mean I reported it?
[K2]: So Ivey loves that you're comfortable with sharing these details with your coach and discussing your offers with your coach. However, that conversation does not actually count as officially reporting your job, even though your coach may know that you got an offer, that doesn't mean that we have the full information. So like your salary details, or even that you ended up accepting the job offer. Ivey prefers getting the information directly from the student.
[K1]: So can the school report that a student has a role if someone else at Ivy reports it?
[K2]: So reporting rules lets schools use basic information that can come from staff or faculty members, an employer, or something like LinkedIn. However, Ivey wants to hear directly from students as they are the most accurate and up to date source of that information.
[K1]: Okay, and I suppose, too, a student could tell us that they've received an offer, it doesn't mean that they ended up accepting it. So, another reason why coaches aren't just out here giving away the the end of the story. Um, because we're really just at the middle of the story. We don't know what happens. And so what does happen with that information?
[K2]: Yeah. So we can record the basic things that we do know. So the student isn't counted as having an unknown outcome or just no information on their profile, but it usually is missing a lot of the most useful detail. And we may not know the exact date, salary, how they found the role, or if anything ended up changing.
[K1]: Okay, so it might help the overall employment number, but it doesn't actually replace updating 12Twenty themselves.
[K2]: Exactly. When you enter it yourself, you are the one who controls the details. You make sure that it's accurate and the information becomes more useful for the reports, rankings, and student data when it does come from you.
[K1]: Another common concern that we hear is the interest in my profile would lock me into one type of career path, and I don't want just one type of career path.
[K2]: Yeah, for sure. They're just what you're interested in right now. And as your preferences change or your interests change, you can absolutely change that as well.
[K1]: Okay. So it's a matter of updating your profile as you go. Um, and one last rumor. Uh. Word on the street is that Career Management staff get rewarded based on where the student works, what they earn, or whether a student reports their offer or not. Yeah. Is this true, and I am the only coach missing out?
[K2]: No, because then I would be missing out too! Our pay isn't tied to your employer, your salary, or your individual result of where you end up after you leave Ivey. We just want students to report because accurate information helps students and just gives an honest picture of the class.
[K1]: Absolutely. And so after all of this, Kelsey, what is one thing that you hope students remember?
[K2]: Yeah, it's I would say the main thing is that the different parts in 12Twenty do different things. Your timeline is confidential and it tells us what you've actually done or where things stand. Your resume and job preferences helps us connect you to opportunities, and you can update all of that when things change.
[K1]: Okay, so a lot less dramatic than the rumors perhaps make it sound.
[K2]: Yes, it's not as dramatic, which is good to clarify. It's also good, and we'd encourage students to ask questions if you are not sure. We're happy to walk you through that.
[K1]: And, um, and Kelsey, what should students do if they're not sure what to to enter or have questions?
[K2]: Yeah. If you're ever not sure, just ask us. We're always open to answering your questions. Um, so yeah, honestly just ask.
[K1]: Okay. Um, and don't think take things for granted just because you heard it from someone else. Please do come and talk to us. Um, and we're we're happy to fill in the gaps as well as clarify as needed. Um, so that sounds like a good place for us to end it. Thank you so much.
[K2]: Yeah. Thank you.
[K1]: Thank you for listening. If you're ready for the next step, check out another episode. Book a one on one coaching session via 12Twenty, or get connected with a student Career Mentor through your LEARN community. No matter what's next, you've got this. Take good care.